kja.busa Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Due to be introduced sometime in the near future, with speculation as to how it will affect fuel lines, pumps etc. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignige Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure how comprehensive this is https://www.motorcyclenews.com/advice/maintenance/e10-fuel-motorbike-petrol-ethanol/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coombehouse Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 The fuel pump on my gsxr1000k2 fell apart in France when I used E10. The plastic went soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srad34 Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 If there was a reason to only use Super unleaded, this sounds like it, especially if you have a plastic fuel tank 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLRS Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Wouldn't it be like e5, just deteriorates stuff faster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkati Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 so as & when i get an 1198 i really should avoid standard unledded? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Ive not put standard in a bike for years, always try to fill at esso with super as most areas dont use ethenol at the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyJim Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, srad34 said: If there was a reason to only use Super unleaded, this sounds like it, especially if you have a plastic fuel tank Yep. Super unleaded will remain at E5 (ie up to 5% ethanol), for the time being at least. Esso is the only one in the UK to guarantee 0% ethanol in their Super U/L - their website confirms that they still legally have to say E5 on the pump, it is actually 0% unless in some areas of the UK (except the SW and north from memory) Edited March 22, 2021 by MonkeyJim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo S2 Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 hours ago, MonkeyJim said: Yep. Super unleaded will remain at E5 (ie up to 5% ethanol), for the time being at least. Esso is the only one in the UK to guarantee 0% ethanol in their Super U/L - their website confirms that they still legally have to say E5 on the pump, it is actually 0% unless in some areas of the UK (the SW and north from memory) One of the reasons I wanted the srads tank coated was for this upcoming change; I just need to replace some of the fuel lines now. I suspect the old cars will have similar issues... Esso Supreme is now my fuel of choice for the bikes, for this reason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSpike Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, MonkeyJim said: some areas of the UK (the SW and north from memory) So everywhere then! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyJim Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 51 minutes ago, EvilSpike said: So everywhere then! Sorry typo. *Except* the north and SW. I'll edit my post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svingel Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 9:09 AM, hawkati said: so as & when i get an 1198 i really should avoid standard unledded? V-power to the people! But, the correct answer is: GET AN ALOOMINJUM FUEL TANK! to the people...🇮🇹 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kja.busa Posted March 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 So, for components like valve stem seals, particularly on the most valves is Viton the way to go? Is it E10 proof as opposed to one stem seals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark/Foggy Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Viton is not Ethanol capable from what I know. It's ok, but will rot in time, so like anything here, needs a maintenance factor thought about. Biggest issue might actually be laying the bike up for the winter. If you think E5 goes off quick and leads to lots of corrosion in your fuel system, E10 will be worse. That Ethanol is going to convert itself to water as fast as it can get away with it and we all know what filling bikes with water is likely to do to your long term reliability, let alone fuelling. I'd start looking at fitting a dry break into the fuel lines from the tank on any bike that you've got. Then you want a second lot of connectors that you can plumb in and pump or drain the unused fuel away, Stick some expensive stuff in there if you want it all to stay wet. throw the junk into any 4 wheeler that is lying about, into a diesel won't do it any harm. If you've got a race/track bike with old Explosafe in the tank, have a look at that as well. Some of it breaks down very quickly when given Ethanol to play with. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbolt Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Ethanil http://www.classicproof.com/news/ethanil-removes-ethanol-from-your-fuel/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbolt Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 http://www.ethanil.co.uk/ use pump petrol on the move, remove the ethanol when you lay the bike up and have fun with the removed ethanol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougW Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 11:27 PM, coombehouse said: The fuel pump on my gsxr1000k2 fell apart in France when I used E10. The plastic went soft. TL1000R fuel pump died shortly after returning from France. I may not have being paying sufficient attention to what fuel I was putting in it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coombehouse Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 On 4/1/2021 at 6:30 PM, DougW said: TL1000R fuel pump died shortly after returning from France. I may not have being paying sufficient attention to what fuel I was putting in it. I kept getting funny looks from french bikers when I was using the E10 but I didn't catch on. They were all using the super unleaded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyJim Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 11:28 PM, Mark/Foggy said: Viton is not Ethanol capable from what I know. It's ok, but will rot in time, so like anything here, needs a maintenance factor thought about. Biggest issue might actually be laying the bike up for the winter. If you think E5 goes off quick and leads to lots of corrosion in your fuel system, E10 will be worse. That Ethanol is going to convert itself to water as fast as it can get away with it and we all know what filling bikes with water is likely to do to your long term reliability, let alone fuelling. I'd start looking at fitting a dry break into the fuel lines from the tank on any bike that you've got. Then you want a second lot of connectors that you can plumb in and pump or drain the unused fuel away, Stick some expensive stuff in there if you want it all to stay wet. Funny you say that, that's exactly what I have planned to do with the RC8R. I've now got a spare connector for the fuel pump power, dry-break coupling and fuel hose, so I cam drain the tank when I need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougW Posted April 6, 2021 Report Share Posted April 6, 2021 If you use a kit to remove the ethanol, is the octane rating not lowered ? Might not be a problem for some(most ?) engines, but having ventilated a fair few 2T pistons in the past in tuned engines running high compression, these things worry me .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbolt Posted April 6, 2021 Report Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 hour ago, DougW said: If you use a kit to remove the ethanol, is the octane rating not lowered ? Might not be a problem for some(most ?) engines, but having ventilated a fair few 2T pistons in the past in tuned engines running high compression, these things worry me .... Probably take it down 1 or 2, so tetraboost to put it back up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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