Harry Muff Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hello again peeps. I haven't broken anything this time. Nope, I want rid of that piece of shit, battery drinking alarm on my Blade. Seriously, leaving the bike more than 4 days is a risk, and I always have to keep a back up battery and alternate them so that I can get to work on time on a monday morning. So the question is this: How much would it cost to get it completely removed? Would they buy it off me after? I know this has to be done a by a specialist Datatool fitter and I'm expecting to get raped on the price. But after 2 years of aggro, it's got to go. Thing is though, why is it such a drain? I mean, I had a Datatool on my '94 Blade 12 years ago and never had the slightest problem with the battery whatsoever. Why now? Surely technology is supposed to get better? Anyhoo, anyone here with any experience of doing this? The bike is an '06 Blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Give Dave a call. He runs the following - http://www.elitemotorcycleservices.co.uk/. He'll give you decent advice and price the job up for you. He'll even come to you at home or work. Last I heard, he was doing this on a GTR1400! Tell him Lee (ex-Tracker) gave you his number. He'll probably double the price, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Muff Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Nice one mate. I'll bell him when I get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyJim Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I'm thinking of doing the same [also Datatool Veto Evo] so would be interested to hear how you get on Thing is though, why is it such a drain? I mean, I had a Datatool on my '94 Blade 12 years ago and never had the slightest problem with the battery whatsoever. Why now? Surely technology is supposed to get better? I think the problem is that batteries on more current bikes are smaller so the alarm drains them quicker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefatman Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Its easy enough to do yourself. All you have to do is trace back where each wire from the alarm joins to the wiring loom, snip out the alarm wire and solder back together the original wires which are handily colour coded so you can't go wrong. Thats an hours labour at most to do that, its only a few wires. Plus maybe another hours labour for taking off the tank and panels for better access to the loom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Its easy enough to do yourself. All you have to do is trace back where each wire from the alarm joins to the wiring loom, snip out the alarm wire and solder back together the original wires which are handily colour coded so you can't go wrong. Thats an hours labour at most to do that, its only a few wires. Plus maybe another hours labour for taking off the tank and panels for better access to the loom. This. Ive removed 2 datatool system 3 alarms from my bikes (KTM and ZX6R), and they really are a piece of piss. However I have never done it on an injected bike, so these could be more complex?? Allow a full afternoon to do it, and to get your loom back to factory looking. Being a sparky and having all the correct tools helps aswell mind.. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronenige Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 it's easy enough on most bikes but a lot of Yam's ( yes monkey! , your's ) connect into a load of black wires which makes it a whole lot more fun . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Pigdog Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Usually pretty straight forward if it's been neatly fitted,make sure you have snips,heatshrink and a good soldering iron.Like has been said-we've had a fjr 1300 delivered to us where the guy had helpfully removed the alarm and left us with a bunch of black wires!PROPER nightmare(with the added pressure of being told if you get it wrong it's likely to blow some pricey relays).At least take the tail unit off and have a peek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefatman Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 rr6 is coloured wires, its like painting by numbers doesn't take much skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Muff Posted February 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 rr6 is coloured wires, its like painting by numbers doesn't take much skill Sounds worth a look, but all this talk of soldering irons and heat shrink has my ring-piece doing Marilyn Monroe impersonations though. If there's one thing I don't know it's electrical stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Pigdog Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 It's easy (and strangely therapeutic)get hold of the tools and sit there in the kitchen practicing on some old wires,one of them blowtorch solderers is handy as it can also do the heatshrink nice.DO IT:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 +1 for DIY I did the one on my TRX and it was dead simple, just wear ear protection and have a bucket of water/lump hammer handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I've just had the Datatool System 3 piece of shite removed from the Hornet. THe local auto electrician did it cos I'm a wuss when it comes to electrics. Charged me £50 + VAT. Sold the 2 key fob thingies on the bay for £30. Worth it for the assurance that the bike will start when I want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Muff Posted March 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Boing! Right then. Finally got it removed on Thursday. Wasn't cheap as I ended up getting it done my local dealer, but they always do a good job in there so It was worth the extra for piece of mind. If I had electrical problems I'd be completely lost. Cheeky fuckers tried to keep it and I had to ask for it back though! I can kind of see where some of the peeps on here are coming from though; there were only about 4 connections and 3 of them were proper connectors and not wires spliced together like I was expecting. Although, to be fair, it's only an alarm and not an immobiliser too as the Honda has its HISS system. I still don't regret getting it done by a pro though. Now the interesting bit: The alarm was (of course) put on service mode for removal and beeped all the way home and when I chucked it in the back of the garage. I popped down there today and it was dead. Yup, not a squeak. Aren't they supposed to keep going under their own power for at least a few days? If so then it might explain why mine kept draining the battery by trying to fill up its own knackered internal battery. Anyhoo, it's out now and, although I'm not happy to have REMOVED a piece of security from my bike, at least I know I can rely on it to start when I need it to now. And so concludes the story. P.s. I was thinking about posting a pic of it to illustrate how simple it actually is but thought better of it. I'm sure a competent thief wouldn't need my help though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Now the interesting bit: The alarm was (of course) put on service mode for removal and beeped all the way home and when I chucked it in the back of the garage. I popped down there today and it was dead. Yup, not a squeak. Aren't they supposed to keep going under their own power for at least a few days? If so then it might explain why mine kept draining the battery by trying to fill up its own knackered internal battery. I wondered about this on the alarm on my Hornet. I't drain the battery in a week (and that's a brand new fully charged battery) if left on normal mode. When left in service mode it'd stop beeping after 10-12 hours. I couldn't work out if they had a replacable internal battery which might have been the problem. THe user manual never mentioned a battery, apart from the bike's own one. Still glad I got rid of the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Muff Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Well, I left the bike standing for seven days and went to start it this morning. Battery dead. What the fuck do I have to do?! The only other possibility is the tracker. Do they draw much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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